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>>>TONIGHT, ELECTION 2020. A “METROFOCUS” SPECIAL. THE RACE POUR THE WHITE HOUSE SHIFTS INTO HIGH GEAR AS DO THE LOCAL CONTENDERS VYING FOR YOUR VOTE. WE’RE TACKLING THE ISSUES, THE QUESTIONS AND THE CONTROVERSY’S. CAN NEW YORK CITY’S BILLIONAIRE FORMER MAY SPIN TO THE TOP OR COULD VOTERS GIVE THE PRESIDENT ANOTHER SHOT? FROM THE WHITE HOUSE TO YOUR HOUSE, ELECTION 2020, A “METROFOCUS” SPECIAL STARTS RIGHT NOW.>>THIS IS “METROFOCUS” WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.>>”METROFOCUS” IS MADE POSSIBLE BY JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH, SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, THE SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM, BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ AND BY –>>>GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ELECTION 2020, A “METROFOCUS” SPECIAL. I’M JENNA FLANAGAN. WHEN IT COMES TO THIS YEAR’S PRESIDENTIAL RACE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF CANDIDATES WITH LOCAL TIES FIGHTING FOR YOUR VOTE. THAT LIST IS HEAD LINED BY NEW YORK BILLIONAIRES LIKE FORMER MAYOR MICHAEL BROOM BERG AND, OF COURSE, PRESIDENT TRUMP. POWERHOUSE PROGRESSIVES SUCH AS BERNIE SANDERS AND ELIZABETH WARREN ALSO HAVE ROOTS HERE. LET’S NOT FORGET ABOUT NEW JERSEY SENATOR CORY BOOKER. TONIGHT WE’RE SPOTLIGHTING THESE CANDIDATES AS PART OF OUR ON GOING SPECIAL COVERAGE OF ELECTION 2020. HERE WITH A CLOSER LOOK AT THE ISSUES AND THE QUESTIONS AND THE CONTROVERSIES, DR. CHRISTINA GREER ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR FROM FORDHAM UNIVERSITY AND THE CO-HEFT OF THE FAQ NYC PODCAST. J.C. POLANCO, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, ATTORNEY, COLLEGE PROFESSOR AND FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE NYC BOARD OF ELECTIONS. AND LAUREN NO, MA’AM YAS FROM THE “NEW YORK DAILY NEWS”. WELCOME TO EVERYONE.>>WE’VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THIS CITY OR WITH TIES TO THE CITY WHO ARE LOOKING AT THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE NATION. SO FIRST I WANT TO START OFF WITH THE BILLIONAIRES, AS I MENTIONED IN THE INTRO. SO, OF COURSE, WE KNOW PRESIDENT TRUMP RIGHT AFTER HIS ELECTION DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE AGAIN. BUT LET’S LOOK AT THE MAYOR THAT WE CAME TO KNOW AND THAT, OF COURSE, IS MIKE BLOOMBERG. I WANT TO GET FROM EACH ONE OF YOU, YOUR TAKE ON HOW IT IS THAT HE CAME TO THIS DECISION TO ENTER THE RACE SO LATE AND SEEMS TO BE JUST STANDING ON COMMERCIAL POWER SINCE THERE’S BEEN NO DEBATES WITH HIM, HE SEEMS TO BE SKIPPING SOME OF THE EARLY PRIMARY STATES, FOCUSING ON SUPER TUESDAY. FOR LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION, WHAT’S UP WITH THAT?>>I ALWAYS SAY DONALD TRUMP IS A BILLIONAIRE WITH AN ARDOR RISK. SINCE WE HAVEN’T SEEN HIS TAXES, I’M NOT SURE. MICHAEL BLOOMBERG WAS MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY FOR 12 YEARS. WE CAN’T UNDERESTIMATE THAT HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND GOVERNANCE THAN DONALD TRUMP OF TOM STEYER. I SEE A PATH FOR BLOOMBERG. I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S A WINNING PATH, BUT FOR SOMEONE TO INVEST THIS MUCH MONEY THIS LATE IN THE GAME, HE WAS LOOKING AT THE FIELD AND ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT EACH CANDIDATE AND SAYING THEY’RE NOT CONNECTING WITH VOTERS THE WAY I THINK I CAN BECAUSE HE’S HAD HIS MAYOR COMMITTEE AND HE WAS HEAD OF THE MAYOR’S CONGLOMERATION I THINK IT WAS CALLED, HE UNDERSTANDS CITIES IN A PARTICULAR WAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. ANYONE WITH $52 BILLION TO SPEND IS DEFINITELY A THREAT BECAUSE HE’S ABLE TO ADVERTISE HIMSELF ON AIR IN WAYS OTHER CANDIDATES CAN’T. THEY’RE TOO BUSY FUND-RAISING AND GOING TO THE EARLY PRIMARY STATES WHICH HE ALREADY SAID HE’S SKIPPING AND HOPEFULLY MAKING INROADS THERE.>>THE FACT IS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS THESE INCREDIBLY RIDICULOUS RULES FOR CANDIDATES TO BE ABLE TO DEBATE. WE’VE SEEN MANY INCREDIBLE CANDIDATES DROP OUT BECAUSE THEY DON’T MEET THE THRESHOLD. WHETHER IT’S A NUMBER OF NEWSPAPERS THAT HAVE TO SHOW POLLING DATA THAT SHOW THEY’RE VIABLE OR X AMOUNT OF DONORS OR MONEY, BUT MICHAEL BLOOMBERG COMES INTO THE SCENE AND SAYS I CAN’T PARTICIPATE BECAUSE YOUR RULES LEAVE A GUY LIKE ME OUT. THERE’S NO WAY I’M GOING TO HAVE THAT MANY VOTERS COME IN AND WRITE ME A CHECK, NO WAY I’LL BE ABLE TO POLL AT THAT LEVEL. SO I’M GOING TO TAKE MY CAMPAIGN AND TAKE IT TO THE TV AND RADIO STATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I MUST PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT JENNA WITH THE FACT THAT HE’S JUST STANDING ON COMMERCIAL POWER. THIS GUY HAS A RECORD. AS PROFESSOR GREER MENTIONED, 12 YEARS OF BEING THE MAYOR OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CITY IN THE WORLD. THAT’S SOMETHING HE CAN GO AROUND SAYING, HEY, I DID THAT. THERE’S OVER TEN MILLION PEOPLE IN A CITY I RAN, AND I RAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I RAN THE SCHOOLS, AND HE HAS A MESSAGE AND HAS A MESSAGE THAT RESONATES WITH A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS. LET’S NOT FORGET HOW HE HAS BEEN PIVOTAL IN THE FIGHT AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE IN EVERY TOWN USA, VOCAL ON POVERTY ISSUES. HE’S BEEN PHILANTHROPIC, HAS A STRONG RECORD IN THE CITY, STRONG RECORD OF EXPERIENCE AND IS A RAGS TO RICHES AS OPPOSED TO THE PRESIDENT WHO QUITE FRANKLY INHERITED A LOT OF THAT MONEY. HE CAN TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT I DON’T THINK OTHER CANDIDATES WILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT.>>LAURA?>>I THINK HIS CANDIDACY IS SO INTERESTING AND I AGREE WITH DR. GREER THAT HE HAS THIS POTENTIAL PATH TO THE NOMINATION THAT CONFORMS WITH THE NEWER REALITY OF OUR CAMPAIGNS THESE DAYS, HIS ABILITY TO COMPLETELY BY PASS THE TRADITIONAL MACHINERY BY WHICH SOMEBODY BECOMES PRESIDENT, BYPASSING THE EARLY STATES, BY PASSING FAVORITE COVERAGE, BYPASSING THE NEED TO GET HIS MESSAGE OUT AND SATURATING TV WITH FAVORABLE ADS HAS BUMPED HIS NUMBERS UP SO THAT HE’S RUNNING IN 50s FIFGS IN SOME POLLS, THIRD IN SOME STATES. HE’S DOING PARTICULARLY WELL AMONG VOTERS WHO DON’T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE YET, TOO, WHICH IS ALSO VERY INTERESTING. WE’RE DEALING WITH AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEIR NEWS FROM FACEBOOK. THEY ARE GETTING THEIR NEWS FROM TV. THEY ARE NOT FULLY ABSORBING ALL THE POLICY POSITIONS OF THE DEMOCRATS, MANY OF WHOM, FRANKLY, ARE NOT THAT FAR APART ON ANY OF THE ISSUES. AND HE IS JUST ABLE TO PLAY ON A MUCH BIGGER FIELD THAN EVERYONE ELSE IS WHO HAS LIMITED THE KINDS OF DONATIONS THEY’RE GOING TO TAKE, THEY’VE LIMITED THE SIZE OF THE DONATIONS THEY CAN TAKE AND, THEREFORE, HAVE CONSTRAINED THEIR ABILITY TO BUY THE KIND OF ADVERTISING HE HAS.>>HE ALSO HAS RELATIONSHIPS WITH MAYORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF HIS MESSAGE. I THINK HE’S NOT A BILLIONAIRE BECAUSE HE MADE WIDGETS. HE’S A BILLIONAIRE BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS THE MEDIA. HE’S A MEDIA BILLIONAIRE FOR A REASON. HE UNDERSTANDS HOW INFORMATION FLOWS OUT. IF WE REMEMBER 2001, SO MANY NEW YORKERS WHO HAD NO IDEA WHO HE WAS AND HE SWITCHED PARTIES BECAUSE HE DIDN’T FEEL LIKE DEALING WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. IF YOU WENT TO THE LOBBY OF YOUR APARTMENT BUILDING, IT WAS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF BLOOMBERG ADS ON THE FLOOR. EACH APARTMENT BUILDING. HE WOULD FLOOD YOUR MAILBOX SO MANY DAYS. PEOPLE IN THE POSTING SERVICE WOULD JUST PUT THEM DOWN AND LET THEM OUT. IT WAS A PHYSICAL AD. THEN HE WAS ON THE TELEVISION EVERY DAY ALL DAY. WHEN I TALKED TO MY STUDENTS WHO WENT HOME FOR THANKSGIVING ACROSS THE NATION, ALL OF THEM CAME BACK AND SAID EVERY DAY ON THE TELEVISION THERE WERE BLOOMBERG ADS FROM OHIO TO CALIFORNIA. SO HE HAS THE MONEY TO JUST, IF YOU DON’T KNOW HIM, YOU WILL KNOW HIM. AS J.C. SAID, YOU’LL ALSO KNOW WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW. THERE’S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO DON’T REALLY KNOW ABOUT HIM AS MAYOR, SO THEY DON’T KNOW ALL ABOUT THE POSITIVE ISSUES ABOUT GUN SAFETY AND CLIMATE CONTROL AND CLIMATE CHANGE AWARENESS AND PROTECTING OUR WATERSHED, BUT ALSO DON’T NECESSARILY KNOW ABOUT THE STOP AND FRISK AND A LOT OF PEOPLE OF COLOR FEEL THEY LIVED UNDER DURING THE BLOOMBERG ERA. HE CAN CREATE A BRAND NEW NARRATIVE STARTING NOW AND HE’S ABLE TO HIRE SOME OF THE BEST PEOPLE ACROSS ALL FIELDS TO GET HIS MESSAGE OUT. SO MANY PEOPLE WRITING HIM OFF. I’M LIKE, YOU WERE MAYOR OF THE LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY, IF NOT THE WORLD, AND HE UNDERSTANDS MEDIA AND POLITICS IN A WAY THAT I THINK STEYER AND TRUMP DON’T.>>THIS IS 270 ELECTORAL VOTES. THE QUESTION IS CAN WE WIN IN THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY TODAY. I DON’T KNOW. IT’S TOUGH, CONSIDERING THE BASE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LIKE THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SEEMS TO BE THE FURTHEST OUT THERE. THE FT. WORTHEST TO THE LEFT LIKE THE FURTHEST TO THE RIGHT IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I DON’T THINK HOW HE CAN GO THROUGH THE NOMINATION. I HOPE HE GETS MORE COMPETITIVE JUST FOR SELFISH REASONS BEING A CENTRIST. I THINK IF THE DEMOCRATS CONTINUE TO PLAY THE GAME THEY HAVE BEEN PLAYING, THIS IDEA THAT, IF YOU’RE NOT COMPLETELY PURE I DON’T WANT YOU, IF YOU’RE NOT COMPLETELY PERFECT, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE STOP AND FRISK THAT DR. GREER MENTIONED IN YOUR BACKGROUND, I’M GOING TO CANCEL YOU OUT AND NOT EVEN CONSIDER YOU, YOU MAY END UP IN A POSITION WHERE YOU HAVE A CANDIDATE THAT CAN WIN 5 MILLION MORE POPULAR VOTES ON ELECTION DAY BUT WILL NOT COME CLOSE TO WINNING WISCONSIN, MICHIGAN OR PENNSYLVANIA AND GUARANTEE PRESIDENT TRUMP A RE-ELECTION. I THINK A GUY LIKE MICHAEL BLOOMBERG CAN IF HE GETS LIEU THE NOMINATION BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES HE HAVE THE MONEY TO FLOOD THOSE THREE STATES LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED. BUT I THINK HIS MESSAGE WILL BRING THE 47, 50,000 PEOPLE YOU NEED TO BRING IN THOSE STATES TO GET HIM TO 270.>>WE MENTIONED STOP AND FRISK A COUPLE TIMES. I DO WANT TO THROW TO A CLIP OF MAYOR BLOOMBERG SORT OF GIVING AN APOLOGY FOR THE POLICY HE ENACTED AND HOW IT AFFECTED SO MANY NEW YORKERS.>>I NOW SEE THAT WE COULD AND SHOULD HAVE ACTED SOONER AND ACTED FASTER TO CUT THE STOPS. I WISH WE HAD, AND I’M SORRY THAT WE DIDN’T. BUT I CAN’T CHANGE HISTORY. HOWEVER, TODAY, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I REALIZE BACK THEN I WAS WRONG. AND I’M SORRY. BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM MORE COMMITTED THAN EVER TO ENDING GUN VIOLENCE.>>SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT WITH MY QUESTION ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE SEEMS TO BE USING A LOT OF HIS MONEY TO BUY COMMERCIALS SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO KNOW HIM AND HE CAN CRAFT THE NARRATIVE. IT FEELS LIKE A VERY HANDS-OFF CAMPAIGN WHEREAS A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WHEN THEY’RE CAMPAIGNING, IT’S ALMOST LIKE THIS COMMUNAL, YOU WANT TO HAVE A BEER WITH ME, I WANT TO HUG YOU, LET ME CRADLE YOUR BABY, HE’S NOT DOING THAT.>>THAT’S NOT WHO HE IS. IN 2001 HE DID NOT HAVE A PRIMARY. BLOOMBERG IS NOT A PRIMARY TYPE PERSON. HE’S IN THE GENERAL. IN A GENERAL HE’S A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE. I DON’T KNOW IF HE’LL MAKE IT OUT OF THE PRIMARY. BLOOMBERG IS HERE TO SAY I’M NOT HERE TO BE YOUR FRIEND. I’M HERE TO BE THE LEADER. WE HAVE MAJOR ISSUES ON THE TABLE AND I’M THE ONE WHO CAN SOLVE THEM. UNFORTUNATELY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN, LET’S SAY NEW YORK SPECIFICALLY, HIS APOLOGY FOR STOP AND FRISK IS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE BECAUSE IT COMES YEARS AND MONTHS AFTER HE LEFT OFFICE. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT VOTERS OF COLOR IN THE SOUTH, VOTERS OF COLOR WITH NOTHING TO DO WITH NEW YORK, IT DOESN’T RESONATE IN THE SAME WAY. THE CITY IS IN GREAT FINANCIAL HEALTH UNDER BLOOMBERG AND OTHER ISSUES LIKE GUN CONTROL WHERE HE SEEMS TO BE A LEADER, THE STOP AND FRISK CONVERSATION IS THERE AND NOT AS RESONANT AND PALPABLE AS IT IS FOR MANY BLACK AND LATIN X NEW YORKERS. IT’S A ROAD BUMP FOR HIM BUT NOT AN ACHILLES’ HEEL THE WAY PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.>>I THINK TO THE EXTENT THE CANDIDATES PROJECTING AN AIR OF CHRISTMAS AND FRIENDLINESS AND SOMEONE YOU WANT TO HAVE A BEER WITH, THE END GOAL IS TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU. IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MATTERS MOST TO THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS WHO WILL BE CASTING THEIR BALLOTS IN THE PRIMARY STATES IS WHO CAN BEAT DONALD TRUMP. PART OF THE REASON THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE SO DIVIDED ON THIS RIGHT NOW IS THAT THEY’RE WAITING TO SEE WHO ACTUALLY IS THE MOST ELECTABLE BY WAITING FOR THE EARLY STATE PRIMARY RESULTS AND TO SEE WHO EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS AND WHO ENDS UP TIPPING THE NOMINATION. SO TO THAT EXTENT, ELECTABILITY IS JUST ABOUT WHOEVER CAN CREATE THE AIR OF INEVITABILITY, WHETHER YOU DO THAT THROUGH CHARISMA AND PERSONALITY OR DO IT BY FLOODING THE ZONE WITH MONEY AND JUST A SHOW OF FORCE IS DIFFERENT MEANS TO THE SAME END.>>THE STOP AND FRISK ISSUE IS VERY BIG. PEOPLE CAN DIFFER AS TO DID IT WORK. THOSE DEBATES ARE EXCITING TO HAVE. I PARTICIPATED A GREAT DEAL IN THOSE DEBATES. THE ISSUE I’M HAVING IS HOW FAR ARE OTHER CANDIDATES IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY GOING TO TAKE THE ANTI STOP AND FRISK QUESTION AGAINST MICHAEL BLOOMBERG. IF THEY GO IN AND MAKE IT THE ISSUE WHERE THEY’LL TRY TO DEFEAT HIM AND MAKE IT SO HE NO LONGER SPENDS ANYMORE MONEY, YOU MAY BRUISE HIM SO MUCH THAT YOU KEEP A LOT OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND LATINO VOTERS FROM COMING OUT. A LOT OF MINORITY VOTERS WEREN’T EXCITED BY HILLARY. THEY STAYED HOME AND THEN DONALD TRUMP WON THIS ELECTION BY WHAT AMOUNTS TO YANKEE STADIUM FILLED TO CAPACITY. I’M REALLY CONCERNED AS TO HOW FAR ARE BERNIE SANDERS’ SUPPERS GOING TO TAKE THIS ISSUE, ELIZABETH WARREN’S VOTERS GOING TO DRIVE THE IDEA THAT MICHAEL BLOOMBERG IS A RACIST BECAUSE HE PARTICIPATED IN STOP, QUESTION AND FRISK OOPSZ. I THINK IT MAY MAIM HIM DOA BY THE TIME THIS IS OVER.>>THIS BRINGS ME TO THE SECOND GROUP OF CANDIDATES, THE PROGRESSIVES WE’RE SEEING RUNNING FOR THE NOMINATION. OF COURSE, ELIZABETH WARREN WHO SPENT SOME TIME IN COLLEGE HERE, BERNIE SANDERS, HE’S BROOKLYN. BUT I’M WONDERING, AS YOU WERE INSISTENCE THAT THE PARTY HAS TO PULL IN THIS ONE DIRECTION AND THIS IS WHERE THE PARTY’S FACE REALLY IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ANY OF YOU SEE PLAYING WELL ON THE NATIONAL STAGE. AGAIN, THE PEOPLE WHO END UP DECIDING THIS ELECTION, DON’T SEEM TO FIT INTO THOSE BASKETS, BUT THEY ARE SO ENGAGED AND SO ENERGIZED.>>I THINK RIGHT NOW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IN THE MIDST OF A REAL MOMENT IN THE SENSE THAT THEY DON’T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO GO THE PROGRESSIVE DIRECTION AND JUST WE WILL BE THE PARTY OF THE PROGRESSIVES. IF YOU SAY YOU’RE A BIG D DEMO DEMOCRAT, IT MEANS X. OR IF YOU WANT TO BE CENTRIST LEVEL DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHERE YOU CAN GET MODERATES AND WEAK LEANING REPUBLICANS, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE ARE SO MANY BLACK AND LATIN X VOTERS WHO ARE NOT PROGRESSIVES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING DATA THEY’RE MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN THEY’RE PRO TRADE TO BE. JUST BECAUSE THE PHENOTYPE MAY MAKE PEOPLE THINK IT’S ABOUT HYPER AGGRESSIVE POLITICS, THAT’S NOT WHAT THE DATA HAS SHOWN US OVER THE PAST DECADES. THE PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATE IN PRIMARIES AREN’T NECESSARILY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE DIVERSITY THERE WITHIN. SO BLOOMBERG IN THE GENERAL DOES VERY WELL. A BLOOMBERG TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE PRIMARY WITH SUCH ABYSMAL TURNOUT AMONGST ALL VOTERS OF ALL COLORS AND ALL CLASSES, I THINK THAT’S A BIGGER CONVERSATION.>>LAURA.>>FOR BERNIE AND ELIZABETH WARREN SO MUCH OF THEIR APPEAL SEEMS TO BE IN A DESIRE OF A LOT OF VOTERS TO ADDRESS THESE SYSTEMS THAT WE’VE IDENTIFIED WITH BIG D DEMOCRATIC POLICY FOR YEARS THAT WE JUST KNOW HAVEN’T WORKED. HEALTH CARE IS OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE. DRUGS ARE OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE. YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY, THEY DON’T WANT TO CHANGE THEIR INSURANCE POLICY, BUT ARE THEY HAPPY WITH IT? IS IT PERFECT? ABSOLUTELY NOT. SO THEIR ABILITY TO PROJECT — SAYING THAT YES NEED RADICAL CHANGE IN HEALTH CARE, IS THAT REALLY SUCH A RADICAL IDEA? IS IT ULTRA PROGRESSIVE TO SAY THAT THESE SYSTEMS THAT DON’T WORK ARE BROKEN AND NEED TO BE CHANGED? I THINK THAT ALL OF THE CANDIDATES ARE ACTUALLY SAYING THAT, THEY’RE JUST SAYING IT AND PACKAGING IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPEAL TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. IT’S WHETHER OR NOT YOU WRAP UP FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES TO THE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE APPARATUS AS INCREMENTAL CHANGE OR WHETHER YOU SAY WE’RE EVENTUALLY GOING TO SHIFT AND ENTIRELY ABOLISH THE MODEL THAT WE’RE USING. THAT’S WHERE THE CANDIDATES ARE FALLING ON THE SPECTRUM. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT APPEALS TO EVERYBODY AND PARTICULARLY FOR BERNIE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SEEMS TO APPEAL TO HIS VOTERS IS HIS AUTHENTICITY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALSO SEEMS TO APPEAL TO TRUMP’S VOTERS. HE IS NOT A HYPOCRITE IN A LOT OF WAYS. HE IS CONSISTENT. HE’S IDEOLOGICALLY THE SAME PERSON HE’S ALWAYS BEEN. THAT’S SOMETHING A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THIRSTY FOR IN POLITICS TODAY. THEY DON’T WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY WHO IS A FAIR WEATHER DEMOCRAT WHO SHIFTS WITH THE WINDS AND IS TRENDY. THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO IS BEING THEMSELVES.>>INTERESTING INTERESTING YOU’D SAY THAT. WE HAVE A CLIP OF SENATOR SANDERS ALLUDING TO HIS AUTHENTICITY OVER THE YEARS.>>YEAH. I’M 78, PLEAD GUILTY. BUT THE ADVANTAGE — THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE, AND THAT IS UNLIKE ALL THESE KIDS I’M RUNNING AGA AGAINST, YOU CAN CHECK MY RECORD GOING BACK A LONG WAY. [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]. A LONG WAY!>>SO IS IT MORE ABOUT WHERE YOU HAVE STOOD THE WHOLE TIME, OR WILL VOTERS BE LOOKING MORE TOWARDS WHAT HAVE YOU ACTUALLY DONE?>>I THINK IT’S THE LATTER. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE AND WHAT WILL YOU DO? THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE INTERESTED IN. YOU MENTIONED A LITTLE EARLIER ABOUT HOW ARE PARTY POLITICS CHANGING THE DISCOURSE AROUND THE COUNTRY? I THINK IT’S CHANGING IT BIG TIME. THE DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW ARE SILENTLY A PROGRESSIVE PARTY. I KNOW THEY’RE FIGHTING AS TO WHETHER THEY’LL BE CENTRIST. A LOT OF US MODERATE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING PLEASE BE CENTRIST. WE’LL VOTE FOR YOUR CANDIDATE. WHAT WE SEE WITH WARREN AND BERNIE SANDERS IS THIS INCREDIBLY RADICAL AGENDA THAT IS SO FAR BEYOND ANYTHING WE CAN RECOGNIZE. YOU SAY THESE DIFFERENCES ARE IN SMALL PACKAGES. YOU NEED MEMBERS, YOU’RE GOING TO TAKE THEIR INSURANCE AWAY AND SUPPLEMENT IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE OR REPLACE IT BE SOMETHING ELSE AFTER THEY’VE BEEN PICKETING AND VIETING TO GET THE INSURANCE THEY HAVE, YOU’LL NEVER GET THE UNION VOTE. IT’S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE WHO HAVE INSURANCE THROUGH THEIR JOBS, THEY’RE GOING TO GET IT THROUGH A MEDICAID-TYPE SYSTEM, YOU’LL LOSE THEIR SUPPORT IMMEDIATELY. THE REPUBLICAN SIDE HAS GONE SO FAR TO THE RIGHT THAT YOU’RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 4% OF THE PARTY, 5% IDENTIFY AS MODERATE, EVEN LIBERAL ANYMORE. IT’S CHANGED THE NATIONAL DISCOURSE INCREDIBLY. I KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. WITH DR. GREER’S POINT EARLIER.>>POLITICAL SCIENCE STIFT CHARLES HAMILTON SAID THIS ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS BUT CAN APPLY TO DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, THE PROTECTIONIST PHASE AND THE ADVANCEMENT PHASE. HEALTH CARE IS OUT OF CONTROL. WE KNOW BANKRUPTCIES ARE THE REASON WHY — HEALTH CARE IS THE REASON WHY MOST PEOPLE GO BANKRUPT. IT’S JUST DO WE BLOW UP THE SHIP, REBUILD IT AND SET IT ASSAIL OR SOMETHING MORE LIKE BIDEN AND BUTTIGIEG WHICH IS THE SHIP IS IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. LET’S REWRITE THE SHIP. WHEREAS WARREN AND BRS ARE SAYING NO, NO, NO, THE ENTIRE SHIP IS CORRUPT.>>YOU ASK A LOT OF BLACK VOTERS, ESPECIALLY OUT OF NORTHEASTERN CITIES DO THEY WANT TO COMPLETELY BLOW UP THE SYSTEM AND START ANEW? NO, NO, NO, THAT’S TOO MUCH. WE’LL STAY IN PROTECTIONIST PHASE BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WE KNOW. WE’LL GO WITH SOMEONE WHO MAY NOT ADVANCE US THE WAY WE WANT TO BE IDEALLY, BUT THAT’S TOO RISKY A CHOICE. SO WHILE ELIZABETH WARREN AND BERNIE SANDERS MAY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT HEALTH CARE THAT A LOT OF VOTERS MAY NOT AGREE WITH, BUT THAT’S ADVANCEMENT PHASE AND THAT’S SOMETHING THAT’S A GAMBLE ESPECIALLY, AS LAUREN AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT ON OTHER SHOWS WHERE SO MANY DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, MALE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS HAVE BEEN EXPLICIT ABOUT NOT VOTING FOR ELIZABETH WARREN. THEY’VE SAID IT, THEY BELIEVE IT. SO THAT CHANGES THE CALCULUS OF OTHER VOTERS WHO WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CHOOSE A CANDIDATE THAT HAS THIS’ LEBLTABILITY.>>>BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME, I FEEL TERRIBLE. BUT WE CAN’T FORGET ABOUT CORY BOOKER. I FEEL LIKE THAT’S A LARGER POINT IN GENERAL. HOW DO WE SEE A CANDIDATE LIKE HIMSELF FITTING INTO THIS? HE’S FOUGHT SO HARD TO MAKE IT ONTO SOME OF THE DEBATE STAGES. HE MISSED THE LAST ONE. WHERE DO YOU SEE CORY GOING?>>HE’S IN THIS DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE HE IS ACTUALLY A MORE MODERATE AND MORE CENTRIST IN A LOT OF HIS POSITIONS AND A LOT OF HIS RECORD AND HIS SUPPORT FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS AND HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TECH COMMUNITY.>>AND WALL STREET.>>AND WALL STREET. AND HE DOESN’T CAPTURE THE ZEITGEIST AND GET AS MUCH COVERAGE AS ANY OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES WHO ARE ON THE NATIONAL STAGE OR NATIONAL CONVERSATION. HE’S HAD DIFFICULTY BREAKING THROUGH, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE’S SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK POLICIWISE. HE’S NOT BEING FOCUSED ON AS THE EXTREME OF ANY OF THE CANDIDATES IN THE RACE. THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR VOICE OUT THERE, TO RAISE ENOUGH MONEY TO MEET THE THRESHOLD, AND IT SPIRALS FROM THERE.>>I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR SENATOR BOOKER. I HONESTLY DO. HE DOES NOT COME FROM MONEY, COMES FROM NOTHING, BECOMES A BIG-TIME GUY, BECOMES MAYOR OF NEWARK, BECOMES A U.S. SENATOR, AFRICAN-AMERICAN U.S. SENATOR FROM NEW JERSEY. THAT’S A BIG DEAL AND IT’S LIKE WE DON’T EVEN CARE. SENATOR BOOKER AND SECRETARY CASTRO NOT REGISTERING. AND CASTRO IS ON THE RADAR. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE YOU HAVE JULIAN CASTRO NOT ON, SENATOR BOOKER NOT ON AND IT’S OKAY IN THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT SO IDENTIFIES WITH MINORITY VOTERS, WHO NEED MINORITY VOTERS, WHO CAN’T SURVIVE WITHOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND LATINO AND LATINAS SUPPORTING THEM? NOT ONE ON STAGE. A GUY LIKE SENATOR BOOKER DOESN’T REGISTER.>>HE’S FROM A MIDDLE CLASS STORY, SO HE’S NOT A RAGS TO RICHES STORY. I WILL SAY HIS RECORD AS MAYOR, IF HE DOES SURGE IN THE POLLS, HIS RECORD AS MAY IS GOING TO COME UNDER SCRUTINY AND THE WATER CRISIS, HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH BETSY DeVOS AND THE CHARTER SCHOOLS WILL COME INTO QUESTION. A LOT OF THINGS THAT HIS MODERATE STANCE AS MAYOR OF NEWARK WILL SERVE AS A REAL ACHILLES’ HEEL FOR HIM. WE KNOW BLACK AND LATINX DON’T GIVE TO CAMPAIGNS BECAUSE THE ECONOMICS OF HOW WE’RE PAID LESS, CONTRIBUTES TO ALL THE INEQUITIES THAT TRICKLES UP TO THE CANDIDATES NOT BEING ON STAGE.>>THIS IS A GREAT CONVERSATION. I FEEL LIKE WE COVERED EVERYTHING IN THE WAY PRESENTED IN THE MEDIA. MOST OF OUR TIME WAS SPENT WITH BLOOMBERG. WE ARGUED ABOUT POLICY. WE DID NOT FORGET ABOUT CORY BOOKER. THAT WAS IMPORTANT. THAW ALL FOR JOINING ME.>>HAPPY NEW YEAR.>>HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU, TOO. THANKS FOR WATCHING ELECTION 2020, A “METROFOCUS” FORECUSS. HEAD TO METRO FOCUS.ORG OR FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK OR TWITTER. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.>>>HOW YOU CAN TAKE “METROFOCUS” WITH YOU ANYWHERE ANY TIME. IT’S SIMPLE AND IT’S FREE. DOWNLOAD THE “METROFOCUS” APP AVAILABLE FOR iPHONE AND ANDROID. WHEN YOU DO, YOU’LL GET THE LATEST NEWS, WEATHER AND TRAFFIC FOR THE ENTIRE METRO AREA. IN THE MEANTIME, FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER FOR UP-TO-THE-MINUTE INFORMATION IMPACTING OUR COMMUNITY. WE’LL SEE YOU AGAIN TOMORROW.>>”METROFOCUS” IS MADE POSSIBLE BY JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH, SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, THE SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM. BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, AND BY —


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